qpzx112 Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jun 9, 2010 - 3:33 PM

The best thing to use is MOONGEL it's the best thing on the market to stop rings and it is usually around 7 bucks.

cyclonedrums Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 10:25 PM

I s the "ring" you mention a high pitched ring like an overtone? Or, Is it an annoying buzz type of ring?
If it's the buzz type , the What type of snares are you using? Are any strands bent or missing? Make sure the snare wires are centered correctly. This may help. Also make sure allbolts and screws are tight.

Hope this helps!

strub09 Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 3:44 PM

Thanks for all the help guys!!!!

seminole Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 2:43 PM

I pulled this off the internet and this guy explains it pretty good. The first part is snare only and the rest rest is about the entire kit, check it out.

John

"The snare tuning is high and tight, the bottom head higher but not a fourth, just until it sounds right. Snares somewhat loose, so you can hear the snares even with the lightest tap."

"Ok, here's the deal. I have Ocheltree's DVD. He never REALLY reveals Bonhams "secret". Instead, he says thinks like; "he tuned the bottom head WAY up", and "the bottom head would be tuned the way you would hear a snare drum being tuned". Not very technical. However with those clues, and some experimentation, I have come very close.

First, for all wood drums, you gotta go coated Emperors over coated Ambassadors. Tune the top head to just a little up from where the drum makes a nice clear resonant tone, but not enough to start choking it. Then tune the bottom head a perfect fourth higher than the top head. Do not use any muffling or dampening. The tuning takes care of the dampening. The snare tuning is high and tight, the bottom head higher but not a fourth, just until it sounds right. Snares somewhat loose, so you can hear the snares even with the lightest tap. But for the bass, I prefer Aquarian Superkick 1s. This tuning is neither original or secret, but has been used by jazz drummers for decades. Bonham was very jazz influenced, and he liked that sound. Combine that with large drums, his unique feel, and boom, classic rock god. Oh, I have a drum dial too. Sell it. They are worthless, and will drive you mad.

I must warn you that they will sound weird to you at first from behind the kit because you will hear a lot of the bottom head, and it will sound high and choked, but out in the room (where his room mikes were) they sound open and beautiful.

seminole Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 1:15 PM

That's a great drum and you hit it right on the head when you said " I put a ring on the batter side, but i don't wanna sacrifice any of the power this snare brings." It's OK for your drums to ring, we spend a lot of money buying the best drums and having suspension systems on all the toms to get them to resonate and then we put some type of muffling device on them. I'm not saying don't muffle your drums I'm just saying let's think about it for a minute.

OK, I've seen a lot of footage of Bonham playing and I can't ever remember seeing any muffling on his drums. Tune the drum evenly to the attack and pitch you like without any muffling and then play it in a musical setting, preferably with a band (if you're using this drum with a band) or play some beats and maybe solo around the whole kit. When you listen to the kit as a whole it sounds different then just playing a single a drum with a single note. Yes, your drums should sound great individually as well as a complete kit. The ringing overtones you hear are more near field sounds that you usually don't hear when playing with a band or as a listener who would be back away from the drums. Have a friend play your kit and stand back, if they're in tune, you might not hear any ringing at all from the drums while some else is playing them.

I could go on, and will if you have any questions for me, but remember that John Bonham didn't use muffling so why not try doing it the way he did and let it ring. Tune it evenly and play it happy.

Good luck finding your sound,
John

Tom_Sherwood Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 12:52 PM

I'm going to be a pain and both agree and disagree with other posters on this thread...

1. Don't crank the head too tight as while it may eliminate the ring you're also going to choke the sound of the drum.

2. Do try using this stuff called Moongel, I've used it for years and find that it really helps me get the sound I want. I use two chunks/strips of it on my snare at something like the 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock positions about an inch in from the rim. Buy some Moongel and experiment with it to find out exactly what works for you. There are cheaper things you can do to try and achieve the same thing such as using an inverted T shape of duck tape (get a 6cm strip of tape, pinch/stick the 2cm left and right of the middle together to form the centre collumn of the T and stick the 2cm at each end to the head of the drum forming the top bridge of the T) If you've get the cash to spend on a new snare, then I'm sure you can afford a little pot of Moongel !! I'm a firm believer in using the proper tools for the job !

Finally don't be afraid to have a little of the ringing sound left over, I think that some of that ring is an important part of the character and sound of the drum.

Hope that helps.
Tom.

drumfreak Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 12:10 PM

You could try a Mini-Mad from Evans: https://drummerconnection.com/drumlessons/4656-evans-mini-emad-tone-dampening-system-gear-tip-drum-lesson

Also we have some really good tuning videos at: https://drummerconnection.com/category/drum-lessons/tuning

Good luck! We all deal with this!

vague00 Says Snare Problems

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jun 8, 2010 - 12:00 AM

moongel

thangfish Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 11:15 PM

These do ring inherently as a result of the LudAlloy shell. I'd try one of those Velcro tone damper deals, that's made by Evans, I think. Or, go to the hardware store and get a roll camper mounting foam tape, and cut about a 1" piece off the end, and place it about an inch in from the edge in a spot that you're not likely to be hitting. Or, for a really cheap fix, try taping a business card to the batter head in the not-likely-to-hit area.
Before, you do any of these, try tightening the top head till you think the drum key might break, or thereabouts.
Bonham liked his heads tight!

strub09 Says Re: Snare Problems

Submitted On: Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 8:47 PM

I am leaning towards the Bonham sound, much like the sound in how the west was won