toddc Says Re: Hybrid Rudiments

Submitted On: Thursday, Jul 22, 2010 - 1:46 PM

I studied with Murry Spivack and he taught me there are only 7 rudiments I really need to concern myself with. I understand the academic part of rudiments much like how scales and jazz patterns are developed to establish ways of thinking about what you are playing. I learned the 26, but focused on the 7. It was very liberating. I have not bothered with the hybrids except out of curiosity. Some of them are a lot of fun.

I have nothing against any number of rudiments. But I think the point is this:
Rudiments within the context of drum set playing are in essence your tool for developing articulation and phrasing. You can combine the core 7 in any way you like to make other complex rudiments(hybrid) if it fits your musical needs.

Now someone may say that these rudiments are a part of today's drum language and you can't learn to play well unless you learn the language. I could agree within certain context. Rudiments are important for players who need to play the same thing at the same time(drum and bugle corps for example). They facilitate common phrasing across all players. This discussion is ages old (like me).

Our best tool is our ears. Transcribing is how you learn the most. Regardless of what instrument you play.

smoggrocks Says Re: Hybrid Rudiments

Submitted On: Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 - 7:03 PM

2 words:

steve gadd. dude has built a huge dictionary of riffs based on just a few rudiments, gazillion permutations.

i probably only use a few, and not even that well, so going past the first 26 would just be over the top for me.

a few years back, i found something called 'the rudiment combinator' which shows different mix 'n match rudiment combinations. the author didn't give them names, but he certainly had some inventive mixes. the title is great, too--i don't think english was his first language, but 'combinator' made perfect sense to me!

drumhead101541 Says Re: Hybrid Rudiments

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 - 2:01 PM

I like the 26 rudiments, and I honestly don't look beyond them. I like them, and they can be used soo many ways!

Dave Heim Says Re: Hybrid Rudiments

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 - 12:05 PM

I'm kind of a basic 26 rudiment kind of guy.  The hybrid thing is not for me. 

Although, now that I think of it, since I've been playing the original 26 in various combinations and permutations for years, perhaps I HAVE been into hybrids all this time!  Yay me!

drumhead101541 Says Re: Hybrid Rudiments

Submitted On: Friday, May 2, 2008 - 12:40 PM

Yeah I honestly think people have gone overboard with the hybrid rudiments. All they consist of are all the basic rudiments, mixed with other basic rudiments. I guess the names are what they sound, but I don't think they should be listed as official rudiments in any way.