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Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

ZeAaron - Tue, 06/16/2009 - 09:29 | 4,253 views

who wins? have any of you guys had expeience on either of these kits? each has there own downsides, and im getting on or the other soon, so help me out?

-aaron

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splash cymbal Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 - 5:24 PM

Hey.....You guys know I really like the Custom USA Ddrum stuff. But check out Allegra Drums as well.
Dave Peterson has it going on. And, as I stated before, he designs and crafts the USA Ddrum stuff.
Allegra is another up and comer in my opinion. Plus, I just threw out a new Drum topic on the site: Fidock Drums. Ladies and Gentlemen, check these babies out as well. For my money, the 2 best designers and manufacturers of Pro equipment at the moment are Dave Peterson / Allegra - Ddrum USA and Stephan Fidock / Fidock Drums Australia.
All the best.......
Splash

splash cymbal Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 - 12:38 PM

Sorry drumfreak ........That's "Isolated" not "icelated".....got caught sleeping at the keyboard.

splash cymbal Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 - 11:41 AM

Dear Drumfreak.......You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. However, several of your points are just inaccurate. This has everything to do with economics. Your logic is we are spoiled rotten citizens who get what we deserve. That is simply a broad stroke to make your point, and wrong. If the kit is made by a 14 year old making $1.00 a day, I guess that's OK with you. It's not OK with me. I have traveled to Taiwan and China, have seen the factories, the polution, and the complete disregard for the "working class." Your logic follows a train of thought in the US, that icelated money at the very top, and one that will eventually kill our country. If we are to become only a service country and manufacture nothing, we are destined for complete failure. If you haven't noticed, loss of manufacturing has also completey coincided with the loss of the middle class. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product made in Taiwan or China because Ddrum oversees it. None of those people are trying to make a living in the US. The Latest NAMM data has over 93% of musical instruments in the USA made in China. You think that's healthy for our economy and country? Now, I'm done with my rant. Find me someone who is pining for a chineese drum set and I'll back off. Until then, I'll support the American who makes the most sought after equipment in the world...before it is gone forever. Hope you understand my point.

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Dear Drumfreak.......You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.  However, several of your points are just inaccurate.  This has everything to do with economics.  Your logic is we are spoiled rotten citizens who get what we deserve.  That is simply a broad stroke to make your point, and wrong.  If the kit is made by a 14 year old making $1.00 a day, I guess that's OK with you.  It's not OK with me.  I have traveled to Taiwan and China, have seen the factories, the polution, and the complete disregard for the "working class."  Your logic follows a train of thought in the US, that icelated money at the very top, and one that will eventually kill our country.  If we are to become only a service country and manufacture nothing, we are destined for complete failure.  If you haven't noticed, loss of manufacturing has also completey coincided with the loss of the middle class.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product made in Taiwan or China because Ddrum oversees it.  None of those people are trying to make a living in the US.  The Latest NAMM data has over 93% of musical instruments in the USA made in China.  You think that's healthy for our economy and country?  Now, I'm done with my rant.  Find me someone who is pining for a chineese drum set and I'll back off.  Until then, I'll support the American who makes the most sought after equipment in the world...before it is gone forever.  Hope you understand my point.

drumfreak Says Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 - 2:40 PM

Splash Cymbal,

Thanks for your opinion back! It's something we can all debate until the day we die. My point is, try living within your means, buy something you like (I personally could care less where it was made, as we don't really have much of a choice these days -- in order to live within our means).

On the economics, just take a look at our country over the past year. Greed set in, people got great pay increases, the mortgages jumped through the roof with ridiculous and just about unlawful home loans which we all now have to collectively pull together and bail these mortgage companies out, the stock market plummeted to record lows, and the auto industry crumbled. What's next? My opinion: Credit Cards and Insurance companies. The corporate America screwed us all over, and most of us were blind to even realize what was going on... including myself who's stuck with a lousy mortgage and perfect credit scores. I'm not complaining because I purchase within my means and stay out of debt, but the realistic fact is most americans are 1.) In debt from careless and survival credit card spending and 2.) Obsessive and compulsive with their money and shopping sprees, and 3.) Broke because of items 1 and 2. I've been there and done that, learned my lesson early on and rebounded strongly from the pits. Not everyone is fortunate enough to do that.

My point in this whole conversation is, regardless of where it is manufactured, do your homework, LISTEN to the drum set and PLAY the drum set before you buy it. If the Drum Stores refuse to let you play the kit, walk out and go to another store. You do have that choice in America, but if you can't afford "Made in the U.S.A" which is true for almost all drum equipment you buy that is high priced, then buy something you can afford and get on with your life. If you don't like "Made in China" stamped on your drums, get some paint or a sharpee and mark it out.

Sad but true, America is hurting itself and nobody is in control, we collectively drive our debt through the roof, demand better living, higher quality of life, yet don't want to pay for it. So, in essentiality, you get what you pay for, just hope that the companies who sell you the products (like ddrum) have done their parts to find the best production companies wherever they are in the world to bring you the best product possible. If you find that, and you can afford it, then you are the only one who cares where your drums were made.

Peace!

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Splash Cymbal,

On the economics, just take a look at our country over the past year. Greed set in, people got great pay increases, the mortgages jumped through the roof with ridiculous and just about unlawful home loans which we all now have to collectively pull together and bail these mortgage companies out, the stock market plummeted to record lows, and the auto industry crumbled. What's next? My opinion: Credit Cards and Insurance companies. The corporate America screwed us all over, and most of us were blind to even realize what was going on... including myself who's stuck with a lousy mortgage and perfect credit scores.  I'm not complaining because I purchase within my means and stay out of debt, but the realistic fact is most americans are 1.) In debt from careless and survival credit card spending and 2.) Obsessive and compulsive with their money and shopping sprees, and 3.) Broke because of items 1 and 2.  I've been there and done that, learned my lesson early on and rebounded strongly from the pits.  Not everyone is fortunate enough to do that.

My point in this whole conversation is, regardless of where it is manufactured, do your homework, LISTEN to the drum set and PLAY the drum set before you buy it. If the Drum Stores refuse to let you play the kit, walk out and go to another store. You do have that choice in America, but if you can't afford "Made in the U.S.A" which is true for almost all drum equipment you buy that is high priced, then buy something you can afford and get on with your life.  If you don't like "Made in China" stamped on your drums, get some paint or a sharpee and mark it out.

Peace!

splash cymbal Says Re: Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 - 4:42 PM

Thanks Drumfreak. Peace to you as well. Actually we agree on most of the points you illustrate. My pain comes from watching Rogers, Slingerland, Ludwig for the most part, and Gretsch go away or go to China because of economics and world trade. But, to make our lives collectively better on this.....rock on with what makes you happy.
All the best.
Splash

splash cymbal Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 - 8:12 AM

If you can buy USA, buy USA. I get your perspective on price. I just don't see any reason to buy a product made in China or Taiwan, when I can get a better product from the company I like, made in the USA.
It just makes sense to me. Price should not be the ultimate decision maker. Quality should be AND Where it is made. If price were the issue, there would be no DW or Gretch. support American manufacturting 1st.

drumfreak Says Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 - 11:07 AM

Having been to ddrum several times to check out their stuff, and to the NAMM shows with them, I can assure you that the "Chinese" made kits or whatever are great quality. I know this because ddrum actually spends time with all of their manufacturers and takes the time to make sure they do it right for the price range they are selling the drums for.

Support America? Sure, I agree with you, we should keep as much of our dough within, but you really need to take perspective on that when you step back and look at how expensive our USA products are compared to import products. This is a whole economic discussion here and has nothing really do with drums. I'm all about USA, I served my country for 8 years and even went to IRAQ and many other conflicts in support of our "freedom". I'm not anti-american, but the problem is our products are so ridiculously overpriced because of the way we choose to live with bloated salaries / paychecks (on average compared to other countries) and etc. So, our greedy lifestyles is what causes everything to be so expensive. To combat this, companies like ddrum and many others (I have a kick ass Gretsch Renown kit that has "Made in Taiwan" stickers on each shell and they sound just as good if not better than my DW kit that's a USA Collectors Series) have to try and outsource to other countries just to keep their product pricing down so that us "greedy" and bargain shoppers could save a buck or two to settle our other un-natural desires like $2.50 Slurpees from 7-11 and Big Mac's from McDonalds -- which are more than most people in foreign countries can afford, yet we shovel junk into our faces and then complain about quality product pricing.

I'm not picking on you specifically Splash Cymbal, I'm just trying to point out that we get tunnel vision and tend to beat our chests sometimes when we really don't always know the details. China or USA, it doesn't matter to me, sure I would rather have a USA kit, but if I needed a drum kit, a $500 - $1,000 price range doesn't make me care too much if I have a "Made in USA" or "Made in Some Foreign Country" stamped on it. As long as I like the kit and like the sound, then I'm all for buying what you can afford and appreciating the fact that you made a good choice within your budget range.

Now my rant is over... We're getting a USA Custom Kit here at Drummer Connection within the next few weeks. We'll be documenting the kit inside and out and you'll be seeing it all over the website. You'll see it, hear it and practically get to know that kit on the website.

Stay tuned!

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Having been to ddrum several times to check out their stuff, and to the NAMM shows with them, I can assure you that the "Chinese" made kits or whatever are great quality.  I know this because ddrum actually spends time with all of their manufacturers and takes the time to make sure they do it right for the price range they are selling the drums for.

Support America? Sure, I agree with you, we should keep as much of our dough within, but you really need to take perspective on that when you step back and look at how expensive our USA products are compared to import products. This is a whole economic discussion here and has nothing really do with drums.  I'm all about USA, I served my country for 8 years and even went to IRAQ and many other conflicts in support of our "freedom".  I'm not anti-american, but the problem is our products are so ridiculously overpriced because of the way we choose to live with bloated salaries / paychecks (on average compared to other countries) and etc.  So, our greedy lifestyles is what causes everything to be so expensive. To combat this, companies like ddrum and many others (I have a kick ass Gretsch Renown kit that has "Made in Taiwan" stickers on each shell and they sound just as good if not better than my DW kit that's a USA Collectors Series) have to try and outsource to other countries just to keep their product pricing down so that us "greedy" and bargain shoppers could save a buck or two to settle our other un-natural desires like $2.50 Slurpees from 7-11 and Big Mac's from McDonalds -- which are more than most people in foreign countries can afford, yet we shovel junk into our faces and then complain about quality product pricing.

Stay tuned!

splash cymbal Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Monday, Jul 27, 2009 - 4:47 PM

My opinion is neither. What is the point of another drum set made in China or Taiwan? If you want the best Ddrum kit, buy the one the Ddrums Pros have Custom made for them. Those are made in the USA by Allegra's genious engineer and designer, Dave Peterson. Do you really think Vinnie Paul would leave Pearl to have another Asian kit in front of him? Hmmmm? No. Vinnie and all of these guys are playing the USA Custom Ddrum stuff made by Dave Peterson is his Allegra Factory in Portland. Don't buy 2nd string stuff guys. Save your dough and buy the best they have to offer. Their Pro's do.

Ddrummer90 Says Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 - 3:00 AM

For a budget, the USA custom kits don't quite make it. Yes, they are the absolute best just above Dios bubinga wood, but they are very high in price. You get what you pay for but price in the first place is usually the decision maker. Just food for thought.

ZeAaron Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Thursday, Jun 18, 2009 - 2:36 PM

thanks, i think im going with the Amx blue burst. the duo fade has too small of a bass drum (20x20) for the kind of thump im lookin for. and i love the fact thzat amxs have components too.

Ddrummer90 Says Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 - 3:25 AM

Awesome! The duo fade bass drums are a bit puny. I play a double bass kit myself with 22x20 kicks so I'm with ya on the thump! Have a blast with the new tambores and let me know how they work for you! Rock on

ZeAaron Says Re: Re: Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 - 12:29 PM

know i gotta pick which laquerr i want. i know i dont want the red burst, it looks crappy. what do you think? hes a link

http://www.guitarcenter.com/ddrum-AMX-Ash-Maple-Hybrid-4-Piece-Drum-Shell-Pack-with-22--Kick-449393-i1320901.gc

ps im getting the four peice because i cant wait for a new kit any longer, i can always get componants and build it up.

Ddrummer90 Says Re: Ddrum Dominion AMX vs. Ddrum Dominion Duo fade

Submitted On: Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 - 8:31 PM

ZeAaron, here's a breakdown. Dominion AMX are guitar center exclusive kits that are similar to Diablo drum shells. The duo fade kits are shallow toms, great tones and killer looks! The AMX come in different configurations and sizes as well for add-ons when the duo-fade kits are only a set of shells. Personally I choose the Duo-fade because the black and blue combo is just rockin and it sounds great. The AMX drums are also good but tend to be a bit pricey. The Duo-fade shells are maple and have a very full sound. They have very reasonable prices for the size of the kit and not to mention come in a few different fades. The AMX drums come in double-bass configurations if you're looking for that sort of thing. Either kit is a winner, Ddrum is the way to go! Good luck and rock on!